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This goes through my mind at random, tonight our KY Governor was applauding requiring people in large passenger vans to wear them saying it would save lives.. The van they used in their example was in such a horrible accident it was crushed and a seatbelt would have just kept the bodies arranged a little better. (don't mean to sound inconsiderate to the families involved in that crash - it was a very sad tragic incident) I really think we need to start pulling back the Nanny State laws ASAP. Love this articel was written by a PRO seatbelt use person. If it only protects you from yourself then it should NOT be a law.


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Seat Belt Laws: Big Brother and the Nanny State

Let me say at the outset, I'm pro seat belt. I think it's wise and logical to buckle up when operating or riding in a motor vehicle. I think it's equally unwise and illogical for the government to issue a citation for not wearing one.

Not long ago, I was pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt and it got me thinking about things like George Orwell's Big Brother, our present day nanny state and what it means to be a citizen of The United States of America.

The officer smiled as he handed me the twenty-five dollar citation and told me he had it "fixed up" so I wouldn't have to be bothered with going to court, I could just send in my payment and everything would be just fine. That made me think about all the tax paying people he would pull over who didn't have time to fight his citation in court because they were busy working in order to pay their taxes so he could get paid to issue them citations. I also wondered if citations like mine were part of a city government revenue enhancement program enacted to pay for all the new police cars I'd seen around town. I couldn't help but feel it's just too easy for any police force or government to abuse their power when they pretty much know the majority of people who they ticket won't fight back.

I'm not usually incline to agree with the hyperbolic conservative talk show folks but I do side with them when they point out that our liberties aren't being taken away in any broad and sweeping way but rather one at a time and starting with those that seem almost laughably minor. To put it another way, if I had been driving my car in North Korea I wouldn't be surprised if a cop decided to give me a ticket or take me straight to the gulag for not wearing my seat belt.

There is the argument that seat belt usage decreases insurance costs for everyone. I don't know if that's true or not but I do know if that kind of logic is followed to the extreme, we will someday be forced to wear protective clothing and head gear when and if Big Brother allows us to leave our homes.




Here is another good one:
http://www.ldsliberty.org/seat-belt-law ... nny-state/
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Soooo, remember all the times I have said one day we will find ourselves having to wear helmets when walking down the sidewalk or stairs? It just takes one good dam*ing study and BOOM there it is?

Welll....

http://news.yahoo.com/distracted-pedest ... 28742.html
..Distracted pedestrians stumble into danger
By JOAN LOWY | Associated Press – 38 mins ago....

....WASHINGTON (AP) — A young man talking on a cellphone meanders along the edge of a lonely train platform at night. Suddenly he stumbles, loses his balance and pitches over the side, landing head first on the tracks.

Fortunately there were no trains approaching the Philadelphia-area station at that moment, because it took the man several minutes to recover enough to climb out of danger. But the incident, captured last year by a security camera and provided to The Associated Press, underscores the risks of what government officials and safety experts say is a growing problem: distracted walking.

On city streets, in suburban parking lots and in shopping centers, there is usually someone strolling while talking on a phone, texting with his head down, listening to music, or playing a video game. The problem isn't as widely discussed as distracted driving, but the danger is real.

Reports of injuries to distracted walkers treated at hospital emergency rooms have more than quadrupled in the past seven years and are almost certainly underreported. There has been a spike in pedestrians killed and injured in traffic accidents, but there is no reliable data on how many were distracted by electronics.

"We are where we were with cellphone use in cars 10 years or so ago. We knew it was a problem, but we didn't have the data," said Jonathan Akins, deputy executive director of the Governors Highway Safety Association, which represents state highway safety offices.

State and local officials are struggling to figure out how to respond, and in some cases asking how far government should go in trying to protect people from themselves
If they walk into traffic it is nature taking its course. PLEASE NO MORE NANNY LAWS! You are giving up your freedom to be and do as you want. As long as you only hurt yourself what business is it of the govt? Next up, law requiring helmet use when walking on pavement etc.
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I agree, more of our freedom is lost all the time. Also add that banning large cups of soda will really help us lose weight, =)) lol !!
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http://news.yahoo.com/skateboard-bombin ... ories.html

Here we go! Another NANNY state (govt control of your freedom) law. I would not have a issue if the phrase [to themselves ] was removed as indeed the govt has a right to protect others from others BUT to say you are to maintain speeds that will not cause harm to yourself is a infringement of your right to be wild.
"Riders will now have to ride standing straight up instead of crouching, maintain speeds that will not cause harm to themselves or others, refrain from hitching onto moving cars and obey all traffic signs and signals."
http://news.yahoo.com/skateboard-bombin ... ories.html


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People being arrested for taking their kids to the park
https://www.facebook.com/ashleyeverlyva ... 571178559/

The Nanny State continues.
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Very crazy times we are living in now.

Never would I have thought, I would see people in grocery stores and other places with masks on. Hoping how soon we can get back to normal life again.
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Here they use the Nanny state seat belt law and the resistance it HAD to say see you should just accept the mask (or whatever fill in the blank) too

https://www.businessinsider.com/when-am ... FVhghnIhNs

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts
Daniel Ackerman May 26, 2020, 11:03 AM
A woman fastens her seat belt in 1970.
A woman fastens her seat belt in 1970. Lambert/Getty Images
A small but vocal minority of people in the US are protesting face-mask mandates.
In the early 1980s, the public-safety battle was over seat belts. Most Americans didn't use them, and 65% opposed them being enforced by law.
"There was a libertarian streak among resistors," car-safety pioneer Ralph Nader told Business Insider. "They took the stance that 'you're not going to tie the American people up in seat belts.'"
More than 50 years after "Unsafe at Any Speed," Nader said, "We are a very hard society to change cognitively."
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State and federal officials nationwide have ordered the use of protective face masks to slow the spread of the coronavirus.


Many businesses have instituted similar policies to protect customers and staff.

It's a relatively straightforward precaution with proven public-health benefits. Still, a small but vocal minority is resisting.

pennsylvania protest coronavirus shutdown mask
Demonstrators outside the statehouse in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, on May 15, 2020. Mark Makela/Getty Images
Some are fighting mask policies by invoking the Americans with Disabilities Act. Others are starting fistfights or even killing people.

Backlash against public-health safeguards has plenty of precedents: When the influenza pandemic swept through San Francisco in 1919, hundreds of "mask slackers" disobeyed the law and were arrested.


Even the seat belt, one of the most ubiquitous safety devices in modern history, faced a contentious battle for acceptance.

The long road to seat-belt safety
As cars became increasingly popular through the 20th century, vehicular fatalities skyrocketed. Between 1920 and 1960, the rate of auto deaths doubled, from 11 people per 100,000 to 22 people.

A young woman wears a seat belt in 1973.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration required all cars be fitted with seat belts in 1968. Fred Ross/Toronto Star via Getty Images
Edward J. Claghorn first patented an automobile safety harness in 1885, mainly to help keep tourists from falling out of New York taxicabs. But it wasn't until the mid-1950s that many carmakers even offered seat belts as an option.

Most motorists declined. In 1956, only 2% of Ford buyers took the $27 seat-belt option, and the death toll kept rising.

In 1959, American politician Daniel Patrick Moynihan described the situation as "the epidemic on the highways."


Then came Ralph Nader.

In 1965, Nader, 31, penned "Unsafe at Any Speed," a best-selling exposé that claimed car manufacturers were sacrificing lives for style and profit.

Nader argued that Detroit willfully neglected advances in auto safety, like roll bars and seat belts, to keep costs down.

His investigation spurred Congress to create what eventually became the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which required all vehicles (except buses) to be fitted with seat belts in 1968.


But using them was strictly voluntary. And many Americans didn't want to.

As late as 1983, fewer than 15% of Americans said they used seat belts consistently.

New York became the first state to pass a mandatory seat-belt law, in 1984. Other states soon followed.

Ralph Nader appears here before the Senate Commerce subcommittee, investigating charges by Nader that he was harassed and intimidated by General Motors because of Unsafe at Any Speed.
Ralph Nader before a Senate subcommittee in 1966. Bettmann
While there was already clear evidence seat belts saved lives, these measures faced stiff opposition. A Gallup poll from July 1984 showed that 65% of Americans opposed mandatory belt laws, according to the Los Angeles Times.

In a survey one year later, drivers said they thought the restraints were "ineffective, inconvenient, and uncomfortable."

Some argued — incorrectly — that it was safer to be thrown clear from a wreck than trapped inside one.


"In this country, saving freedom is more important than trying to regulate lives through legislation," wrote one staunch opponent in a 1987 Chicago Tribune editorial.

The auto industry actually supported seat-belt requirements, mainly to circumvent legislation that would have mandated airbags.

But the public bristled.

Some people cut the belts out of their cars. Others challenged seat-belt laws in court.

In 1984, some 65% of Americans opposed mandatory belt laws.
In 1984, 65% of Americans opposed seat-belt laws. Smith Collection/Gado/Getty Images
Massachusetts radio personality Jerry Williams transformed his talk show into a crusade against seat belts, gathering 45,000 signatures in three months. He managed to get a referendum on the ballot to repeal the state's new belt law.


"We don't feel we should be forced to buckle up and have a police officer sent in by the state to make sure we're buckled up," Williams told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel in 1986.

"There was a libertarian streak among resistors," Nader told Business Insider. "They took the stance that 'you're not going to tie the American people up in seat belts.'"

'They're not community people'
A similar ideology seems to be fueling pushback against face covering during the pandemic.

Republican Gov. Mike DeWine of Ohio was forced to rescind his face-mask order, he told ABC News, when he realized Ohioans "were not going to accept the government telling them what to do."


In California, an anti-lockdown protester held a sign comparing wearing masks to slavery, Newsweek reported.

Nader says he believes most modern-day mask slackers are fueled by obstinance, not a political agenda.

Ralph Nader at the American Museum of Tort Law in Winsted, Connecticut, in 2015.
Nader at the American Museum of Tort Law in Winsted, Connecticut, in 2015. Bradley E. Clift for The Washington Post via Getty Images
"It's just an ornery personality trait by some people," he said. "They're not community people."

The former presidential candidate is quick to mention that few Americans oppose the current public-health measures. A recent Washington Post poll found that fewer than 20% of Americans opposed wearing masks and maintaining social distancing.


"It's a tiny percent of the population — let's not exaggerate," Nader said.

Americans have grown comfortable with seat belts, too: More than 90% buckle up regularly. New Hampshire — whose license plates proclaim "Live free or die "— remains the only state without a mandatory seat-belt law.

But that shift took time. It also took public-service campaigns, legal enforcement, and even regular reminders from our cars themselves.

A woman wearing a face mask puts on her seat belt.
A woman wearing a face mask puts on her seat belt. Pollyana Ventura/Getty Images
"We are a very hard society to change cognitively," Nader said, some 55 years after publishing "Unsafe at Any Speed."


He hopes holdouts against pandemic precautions come around more quickly.

"The same people who don't want to do social distancing and face masks get in their car and put their seat belt on," he said. "Nice irony, huh?"

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If there was ever a year of mark my words, 2020 has been the biggest Nanny State exercise EVER!
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